BOAT SHOPPING - Part 2

15 Aug 2013

Kandahar, Afghanistan

The Cut at Farmer's Cay, Exumas - 2006

We made a blog entry early in 2012 regarding boat shopping.  Things have changed a little and we felt this topic could use an update.  

One of the things that makes boat shopping so difficult is the variables involved.  Even in our case, where we knew that we wanted a Beneteau, and we thought we knew we wanted a 50 foot boat, it is still difficult.  As it turns out, we decided to consider models other than the Beneteau 50.  There are different models Oceanis 46, Oceanis 461, First 47.7, Oceanis 473, Oceanis 49, Oceanis 50, etc.  Of course, each has its own unique features, layouts, interiors, ect.

Then, you start looking at the equipment that is on board vs. what you want/need.  Updated electronics, chartplotter, AIS, EPIRB, make of engine, horsepower of said engine, air conditioning, watermaker, generator, bowthruster, bimini, dodger, shoal draft vs. deep draft, classic main vs. a furling main, blue hull vs. white hull, teak foredecks vs. fiberglass, solar panels, wind generator, etc., etc., etc. 

Then, you can start comparing condition: Bristol (excellent), very good, above average, average, below average. 

As you can see it can become a nightmare to analyze.  Dahleen can tell you that I am analytical by nature….she really thinks I am analytical.  After deciding we were buying a Beneteau 46 to 50 footer, the first thing we tried to do is make a list of what we HAD to have in a cruising yacht….keeping in mind that it was going to be our home for the next 10 years or so (good Lord willing).  Here’s what we came up with:

• 2 cabins vs. 3 or more
• classic mainsail vs. furling
• deeper draft vs. shoal draft
• Yanmar engine 76 hp min. with low engine hours (less than 1000)
• air conditioning
• excellent condition

The above things are the HAD TO HAVE LIST.  Then we went to a NICE TO HAVE LIST:

• white hull, not blue hull
• fiberglass foredeck, not teak
• updated, (newer) sails
• electric halyard/sheet winch
• bowthruster, if a 50’ boat
• 100 hp Yanmar, if a 50’ boat
• updated, (newer) electronics

Then came the EXTRA-STUFF-THAT-WOULD-JUST-ENHANCE-THE-VALUE-OF-THE-BOAT-COMPARED-TO-OTHER-BOATS-ON THE-MARKET-LIST:

• generator
• watermaker
• solar panels
• wind generator
• single-side-band radio
• AIS
• EPIRB
• ……..and probably some things I have forgotten to list

(note: one of the reasons that a generator, a watermaker, and a updated chartplotter were on the nice to have list is we took the ones off of our other boat that I had installed new.)

Once we made the above lists it became apparent that we were not going to find a Beneteau 50 that met all of our MUST HAVES.  Over the period of 2.5 years of searching there have been two, that’s right, two boats that had what we wanted.  One was in our price range, but in Spain (when we were in the US…before all of our recent trips to Spain) and it only stayed on the market about 2 weeks.  The other was way out of our price range and stayed on the market for over 2 years before the owners gave up and took it off.

After eliminating the B-50 from our shopping list, we decided on the B-461.  The three choices were the 461, the 473, and the First 47.7.  We really wanted to stay with the Bruce Farr designed boat (like the B-50) so that eliminated the Group Finot designed B-473. 

What to do, what to do?  B-461 or First 47.7 ?   Boat buying is a series of compromises unless you have unlimited money and can design and build your own boat.  The 47.7 would sail faster than the 461, had a beefier winches & rigging system, but ergonomically and esthetically the 461 suited us better.  Since we are going to be cruisers instead of racers, we decided that ergonomics wins out.  Remember, boat buying is compromising….we are sacrificing a little on the performance side while sailing, for better functionality and comfort while anchored.  Let’s face it, we will be anchored much, much more than we will be sailing; just like most people spend more time in their house than they do their car. 

What turned the tables?  Specifically, we didn’t like the huge wheel at the helm blocking access to the rear, the traveler so far aft, no sugar scoop for convenient boarding at the rear, and the Pullman berth in the front cabin.  Our previous boat had the Pullman and we weren’t as comfortable as we would have like to have been.  The centerline Queen berth in the Master cabin of the 461 will be much more to our liking.  Again, buying a boat is a series of compromises…..and everyone has a different opinion regarding what is important.  In the end, it is important that we focus on what we consider important to us when selecting our next home.  

PLANNING, SACRIFICING, AND PLANNING

7 AUG 2013

Kandahar, Afghanistan

sv Into the Light - Exumas, 2006

Ever since we sold our other sailboat (sv/Into the Light) back in 2008, we knew that we would one day again be boat owners.  We had both enjoyed the cruising lifestyle SO much when we took our 6-month cruise of the Exumas that we knew we would do it again as soon as we felt like we financially could. 

Having read so many cruising blogs over the years, and having talked to a number of full-time cruisers while we were in the Bahamas, we knew we had needed to be completely debt free, and the next boat had needed to be paid in full before we took off again.  So many people set out without adequate financial means, and sometimes even without a sound financial plan, only to have to return to dirt-dwelling or, at least, return to land for a time to work and replenish the cruising kitty. 

While being debt-free and having the boat free and clear would delay us a year or two, we decided that in the long run it was the prudent thing to do.  So, we have made some sacrifices along the way over the last 3 or 4 years (some BIG ones, a lot of smaller ones) to get to the point we are almost ready to take the plunge back into boat ownership and prepping to cruise again in several months.

One of the bigger sacrifices we made in order to get “back out there” cruising on a boat was to sell our boat.  Sounds contradictory doesn’t it?  The reality of the situation was it was costing us over $1000/month to own and, after the 6-months of cruising in the Bahamas, we weren’t able to utilize it enough to make it financially feasible.  We were living/working in the Knoxville, TN area and the boat was on the east coast in Charleston, SC over 6 hours away.  No way for us to get out of debt with that kind of outflow of money!  

We were fortunate to sell the boat after a reasonable amount of time on the market and I removed a lot of the upgrades we had added so we could use them on next boat we bought……generator, watermaker, chartplotter, 300’ anchor chain, our Rocna anchor, marine gas grill, cockpit cushions, new dinghy, new dinghy outboard, etc.  Removing the generator and watermaker was a lot of work (though not as much work as the initial install) but it will be worth it.

Another significant sacrifice we made was working a traveling job.  Though we both love to travel, being on the road ALL the time does take its toll on you.  Sometimes you simply just want to be at home.  The only way I would have taken the higher-paying float pilot job with Med-Trans was if Dahleen would/could travel with me.  Hence, we bought a used motorhome and she did just that.  It was a win/win/win situation.  We got to travel and see some places we would never have seen otherwise, we were together, and we made some good money.    

The biggest sacrifice we made, and are currently still making, is my working in Afghanistan.  Neither of us likes the situation, but we have a goal to achieve and once that is accomplished (the good Lord willing)……I am OUTA HERE !!!! 

It has been "uncomfortable", but it shouldn’t be too much longer.  I do plan on being back in the States, for the first time in a year, during the month of February.  I am looking forward to seeing family and friends that I haven’t seen in a long time.  I actually left home Sep 2012, but didn’t deploy to AFG till Feb 2013.  The current plan is to retire mid-July, 2014 and take a couple of months to prep the boat for cruising, then push off the docks next fall.

Prep the boat?  What boat?  Stay tuned!

“YACHT BROKERS”

THEY ALL AREN’T BAD….JUST MOST OF THEM

18 Jul 2013

Kandahar, Afghanistan

Sunset on the Bahama Bank - 2006

Having gone through the boat shopping/buying process once before, we had a pretty good idea of what we wanted in a cruising yacht.  A Beneteau, 2 cabins, 46 to 50 feet in length, excellent condition, classic mainsail, not a shoal draft, excellent condition, a low-time Yanmar engine, air conditioning, white hull vs. a blue one, excellent condition, etc……I think you get my drift; the boat had to be in excellent condition.  Since boats are depreciating assets, we never considered buying a new one…..let someone else take that huge depreciation hit, not us.

We had solicited the assistance of a broker, gave him our desires concerning what we were looking for in a boat, and then waited for him to work his magic….and waited……and waited.  Nothing.  In the meantime I am scouring Yachtworld’s website looking myself and I find several boats that could be possibilities.  Granted, over a period of 2 years there were only 2 or 3 boats that actually met our criteria, but he never called to let us know that they were out there as a possibility.  I stayed in monthly or bi-monthly contact with him through email and got very little/nothing out of him….his responses were slow, his real effort was virtually non-existent.  I don’t understand how someone who stands to make $10k to $30k (depending the price of the boat we buy, and if he is the listing or selling broker, or both) off of a sale can’t be slightly motivated to help you find a boat.

Anyway, ultimately we will find a boat on our own.  I have some pretty good leads at this point.

Edited Feb 2014:  We found a boat on our own and have been dealing with the listing broker.  The contract is signed, survey is complete, vessel acceptance document signed, now waiting on a May 25th closing.  Up to this point, Terry Freeman, of Cleveland, OH has been nothing but helpful.  We will update after closing.     

MORE FROM SPAIN…...WHAT A GREAT PLACE !!!

Almunecar, Spain

Looking south across the Med toward Africa

Wow.  This place is great.  I don’t think we have ever been anyplace where the weather was more perfect than it has been here.  The temps have been around the low 70’s for the lows and the low 90’s for the highs.  That would seem a little warm for the afternoon high temps except:  the ocean is cold, the breeze is constant, and the humidity in zero.  The humidity being so low is the great thing about being here.  There has hardly been a cloud in the sky…..we love it. 

The area is breath-taking….we love the mountainous views of the ocean from the highway that runs along the coast.  The architecture is very interesting and a perfect match to what I thought it would be like in this area.  Think the old movie Casa Blanca.

Seafood is plentiful and delicious, the fruits and vegetables are as good or better than what we find in the U.S., and, by and large, the groceries are cheaper.   We don’t care for the pizzas we have bought out, and the meats are probably more healthy than back home (with less fat content), but they are not nearly as flavorful as ours are.

We have spent a lot of time just walking around the town of Almunecar exploring the various shops and sites, and people watching.  We have had a blast.  There is a great, wide slate sidewalk on both sides of the road that our condo is on, right along the beach that is great for running and walking.  We have been wearing it out.  I have been doing my 4-6 mile run every other day, and Dahleen has been walking every day.  On the days I don’t run, I walk with her.

We are excited to have Lindsay, the daughter-unit, visit us for a week and she will probably need a vacation to get over her vacation by the time she gets back to the U.S. 

I have selected several photos, from the hundreds we have already taken, and posted them below.  If you want to see more, in a few weeks check on our Facebook page. 

 Happy, happy happy.  Sure beats Afghanistan.

 The Cross at El Penon del Santo (The Rock of Christ).  

Touring the Gardens. 

Castillo de San Miguel….captured by Christians from the Muslims in 1489.

 Dinner and flamenco dancing.  A great evening.

 A nice crib with a view of the Mediterranean Sea.

 The weather was perfect…..low humidity and a nice warm breeze blowing constantly.